Port 80 Redirect to 443 Not working

Similar problem to thread http://forums.sentora.org/showthread.php?tid=3633


https://domain.tld works
https://www.domain.tld works only as an added exception in Firefox

http://domain.tld unable to connect
domain.tld unable to connect

Lets Encrypt installed ok

Vhosts file for domain.tld seems correct as per instructions espcially re port forward/overide.

Would appear port 80 is not forwarding to port 443

Any other ideas?